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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

philthewindsurfer wrote:
Tech-3 rookies continue to impress. Herve must be happy.


Probaly the oppesite of what the boss of KTM is thinking atm...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My computer has a terrible virus!

Its the only explanation.... it says that Redding was 1st in FP2!

Seriously though, even though the pace of FP2 was slower than yesterday's FP1, Scott's time would have put him in 3rd yesterday!

Good show!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neilf wrote:

Disappointed with Iannone, I was hoping to see him firmly in the top 10.


He heard you. Smile

FP3:
1. Maverick Viņales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 54.834s [Lap 17/17] 340km/h (Top Speed)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 54.848s +0.014s [16/17] 338km/h
3. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 55.008s +0.174s [15/17] 341km/h
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.042s +0.208s [13/15] 348km/h
5. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 55.113s +0.279s [15/16] 344km/h
6. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.211s +0.377s [15/16] 340km/h
7. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 55.296s +0.462s [14/15] 343km/h
8. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.435s +0.601s [15/16] 345km/h
9. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.461s +0.627s [14/15] 349km/h
10. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.634s +0.800s [16/16] 345km/h
11. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 55.676s +0.842s [17/17] 347km/h
12. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 55.713s +0.879s [13/14] 338km/h
13. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 55.790s +0.956s [15/15] 343km/h
14. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 56.095s +1.261s [14/16] 346km/h
15. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 56.249s +1.415s [16/17] 341km/h
16. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.617s +1.783s [14/15] 340km/h
17. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.662s +1.828s [9/14] 343km/h
18. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.692s +1.858s [14/17] 342km/h
19. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 56.854s +2.020s [11/13] 336km/h
20. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 56.935s +2.101s [4/15] 338km/h
21. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 57.005s +2.171s [12/12] 346km/h
22. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 57.630s +2.796s [15/17] 340km/h
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 57.654s +2.820s [10/18] 337km/h

Riders going directly to Qualifying 2 - Top 10 Combined Practice Times:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
2. Maverick Vinales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
3. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
4. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
5. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
6. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
7. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
8. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
9. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
10. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)

Who would of thought that Zarco and Folger would be straight into Q2 on their first race as rookies...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Combined times into Q2;

1. Maverick Vinales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
4. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
7. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8. Jonas Folger      GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news on Redding, he was limping after his crash.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no66 wrote:
You are probably right. I think VR was uptight the last 3 years as he was close to the WC, came in second and still thinks that MM and JL robbed him 2 years ago. His words not mine Smile


Cause it was perfectly normal for a non-title contending rider to intentionally obstruct a title contender, right? That happens all the time, right?

Anyway, back to the racing. Practice times are all well and good, but I suspect a lot of these young riders will struggle to be consistently fast for the race distance (I'm looking at the WILDLY over-hyped pair on the Tech 3 bikes. Both of them are average riders at best.)

Rossi struggling but saying some strange things (i.e. 'I know why Vinales is on the gas sooner and braking later than everyone else, but I'm going to keep it a secret.")

Marquez will definitely crash out if a non-factory bike is in front of him after lap 5.

Lorenzo and Dovi will scrap hard.

Iannone might complete 2 laps, but I'm pretty sure he will go down on the first.

Brad Smith to make that annoying, 'I'm doing my best face," as he finishes last and we wonder how the hell he has lasted so long in MotoGP.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zarco and Folger could mix things up! I hope the uncertainty of finishing positions remains - last year was much more interesting than the previous few.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoppur wrote:
no66 wrote:
You are probably right. I think VR was uptight the last 3 years as he was close to the WC, came in second and still thinks that MM and JL robbed him 2 years ago. His words not mine Smile


Cause it was perfectly normal for a non-title contending rider to intentionally obstruct a title contender, right? That happens all the time, right?

Anyway, back to the racing. Practice times are all well and good, but I suspect a lot of these young riders will struggle to be consistently fast for the race distance (I'm looking at the WILDLY over-hyped pair on the Tech 3 bikes. Both of them are average riders at best.)

Rossi struggling but saying some strange things (i.e. 'I know why Vinales is on the gas sooner and braking later than everyone else, but I'm going to keep it a secret.")

Marquez will definitely crash out if a non-factory bike is in front of him after lap 5.

Lorenzo and Dovi will scrap hard.

Iannone might complete 2 laps, but I'm pretty sure he will go down on the first.

Brad Smith to make that annoying, 'I'm doing my best face," as he finishes last and we wonder how the hell he has lasted so long in MotoGP.


Yep, Zarco totally overrated....what's he ever done?...I mean he's only a double M2 WC so definitely "average".
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear me...

I was saying what VR has been saying. If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.. After all, you are best buddies right?

Zarco and Folger wildly overrated... yes ok, whatever...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loads of messing because of the rain shower before the start but an exceptional race once it did start with lots of questions to be answered next race. Is this a one off with the old guard re-established next time or is a permanent shift taking place? Dorna are doing it all right with the rules too and today possibly saw more evidence of equalisation. Was it evidence that the very advanced electronics have distorted results over the years?

The Qatar GP for me is a pantomime but never mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame Zarco fell.

I have never wanted a Frenchman to win so much!

Lorenzo looks like he is in trouble, even though he made up a few places.

MM not even on the podium, whatever next?[/list]
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not like Honda to drop a bollock 2 years in a row!

Chuffed to see McPhee on the podium after an outstanding ride from mid-pack; excellent riding.

Great race in MotoGP. Agreed wrt Zarco; another Turn 2 victim.
MV rode a class race, but it certainly didn't seem inevitable at the start.
Crutchlow like to make life hard for himself!
AEsp Shocked ride of the day!?... But I haven't watched Moto2 yet Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moto2 was the least exciting race of the day in my eyes.

Vinales is going to be a weapon on that bike, as young as he is and lacking the desire to win the race in the first corner as so many that age do. This season is going to be interesting, the kids learned from the masters and are stepping the game up another level.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no66 wrote:
Zarco and Folger wildly overrated... yes ok, whatever...


They are competent riders but most certainly not alien material, so I don't see any reason to get hot and bothered about them.

Zarco spent years doing fuck all in the lower categories before suddenly getting results (right after a few big names moved on), and it's all well and good to be a late bloomer, but it just seems clear he will never be a top MotoGP rider. Sure, he might end up doing better than the Brad Smiths and Hector Barberas of the world, but that's not saying much.

Folger is even more of a non-factor. He can be fast on occasion, but that's about it.

Both of them riding over their heads early on because they are desperate to make an impression makes for good watching, but it doesn't mean they will regularly compete. Zarco throwing it down the road in Qatar was the same as the name of David Brent's band.


Moving on...

Surprisingly mature ride from Vinales. He kept cool and did exactly what he had to do. I'm sure that having the practice and test results in the back of his mind helped, because he knew that he had the most potential by far, but the crazy conditions still made life hard. Full credit to him.

Dovi solidifies his legacy as the eternal bridesmaid. Still a great ride from him considering what he is working with, but the guy just can't get a break.

Rossi: no surprise to see not even a hint of praise here. From 10th to the podium isn't too shabby, especially since he seemed to be lost on setup in both the tests and practice sessions. It seems clear that he hasn't quite "lost it" yet, much to the chagrin of the majority of people in here, but simply made a mess with the setup work during testing. I suspect he will get it sorted eventually and be a regular contender as always.

MM: Oh dear, the golden boy looked rather average, didn't he? And of course everyone is going to blame it on the Honda, right? He has nothing to do with it.

Aleix Esp: Great ride and great to see the Aprilia racing with factory Hondas!!

Iannone: Yep, that's about right. Guy is infuriating to watch.

Crutchslow: Is anyone investigating him for insurance fraud? Seriously, it's as if the damage from the first crash wasn't quite serious enough, and he wanted to make sure it was a full write-off. His team must have loved that.

Lorenzo: We all know that his full potential only comes out when the stars align and he feels perfectly comfortable. This will be an interesting year...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna post this on the other forum now

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